[Openmcl-devel] bad impressions to Lisp newbies

Andrew Shalit alms at clozure.com
Sun Apr 26 20:06:51 PDT 2009

FWIW, I agree with Alex that our websites are unnecessarily  
confusing.  I (we) haven't had time to address that, but I hope that  
we can improve them in the future.

On Apr 26, 2009, at 2:12 AM, Gary Byers wrote:

> Please make more sense.
> On Sat, 25 Apr 2009, Alexander Repenning wrote:
>> The golden rule of user interface design 101 is that if multiple  
>> users are
>> confused about something there is usually no point for the designer  
>> of the
>> interface to claim that he or she does not find it confusing.  
>> People are
>> trying to help you and you are basically belittling these comments.
>> I  did not make that particular comment regarding the trac page. As  
>> I said
>> before, I find the site as a whole a bit confusing not any  
>> particular page.
>> Look, what most of us want to do is to get some general  
>> information, download
>> the app, access the source, and get some support. This is pretty  
>> basic stuff.
>> It is great that you offer all of these pages/sites:
>> http://trac.clozure.com  http://ccl.clozure.com http:// 
>> svn.clozure.com
>> http://openmcl.clozure.com http://www.clozure.com/
>> I am not even sure I found them all. The issue is quite simply that  
>> there is
>> NO SINGLE NAVIGATION that is common to all these sites. Even the  
>> most simple
>> navigation tab structure (e.g., Home, Download, Support, ...)  
>> shared between
>> the sites would work wonders. Make it a frame it you must. Finding  
>> the right
>> link somewhere on some page to move from one site to another IS  
>> confusing.
>> This may not be the worlds greatest example but it does feature the  
>> kind of
>> navigation that the Clozure site is missing: http:// 
>> www.openoffice.org
>> Thanks but no thanks to the dancing girls ;-) but navigation would  
>> be nice.
>> Alex
>> On Apr 25, 2009, at 10:32 PM, R. Matthew Emerson wrote:
>>> The Trac page (http://trac.clozure.com/ccl) seems pretty clear to  
>>> me.
>>> There is a table on that page in the section called "Getting Clozure
>>> CL"  that includes links to archives for all the platforms.  Maybe I
>>> should put some animated dancing girls or something next to it so  
>>> that
>>> it stands out better.
>> Prof. Alexander Repenning
>> University of Colorado
>> Computer Science Department
>> Boulder, CO 80309-430
>> vCard: http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~ralex/AlexanderRepenning.vcf
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