[Openmcl-devel] App Development Tools Contrib
Kristian Bredin
kristiandevel at gmail.com
Fri Feb 4 13:31:36 PST 2011
Thank you very much, Paul, for your work on this! As I've said before, it's
much appreciated!
Personally I'm in a different area of my life at the moment (composing
music) but it's still a pleasure to read your code and documentation.
A separate mailing list for this effort could perhaps be a good idea, if it
would help add significance and weight to the project. However it would be
fine with me if the discussions are held here on this list.
Kristian
> 2011/1/22 Paul Onions <wibble37 at mac.com>
>
> Okay, if there's anything you'd like me to do then please just ask.
>>
>> FWIW I'm running CCL 1.7-dev-r14586M-trunk on a G4 iBook, OSX 10.5.8.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 Jan 2011, at 14:46, Paul Krueger wrote:
>>
>> You're right, not that helpful. I'm going to resurrect an old PPC laptop
>>> with a mostly busted display and do screen sharing to run it. With that I
>>> should be able to recreate your environment and figure out what is going on.
>>> I have some other immediate obligations so it may take me 2 or 3 weeks to
>>> resolve this, but I'll get to it asap and send email when it's fixed.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2011, at 2:58 AM, Paul Onions wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>> Console log below, though to my untrained eye it's not very revealing: a
>>>> segmentation fault by CCL.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> 22/01/2011 08:39:19 fseventsd[41] callback_client: ERROR:
>>>> d2f_callback_rpc() => (ipc/send) timed out (268435460) for pid 79428
>>>> 22/01/2011 08:39:19 fseventsd[41] client: 0x810e00 : USER DROPPED
>>>> EVENTS!
>>>> 22/01/2011 08:39:20 ReportCrash[79435] Formulating crash report for
>>>> process dppccl[79428]
>>>> 22/01/2011 08:39:26 ReportCrash[79435] Saved crashreport to
>>>> /Users/pdo/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/dppccl_2011-01-22-083900_IvoryTower.crash
>>>> using uid: 502 gid: 20, euid: 502 egid: 20
>>>> 22/01/2011 08:39:26 ReportCrash[79435] Saved crashreport to
>>>> /Users/pdo/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/dppccl_2011-01-22-083900_IvoryTower.crash
>>>> using uid: 502 gid: 20, euid: 502 egid: 20
>>>> 22/01/2011 08:39:24 com.apple.launchd[104]
>>>> ([0x0-0x53e53e].com.clozure.Clozure CL-ppc32[79428]) Exited abnormally:
>>>> Segmentation fault
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> The CrashReporter log is too long to post here, but it starts off as
>>>> follows (with my elisions [...] for a lot of almost identical lines):-
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Process: dppccl [79428]
>>>> Path: /usr/local/lisp/ccl-trunk/Clozure
>>>> CL32.app/Contents/MacOS/dppccl
>>>> Identifier: com.clozure.Clozure CL-ppc32
>>>> Version: Version 1.4-dev (14586M-trunk (PPC32))
>>>> Code Type: PPC (Native)
>>>> Parent Process: launchd [104]
>>>>
>>>> Date/Time: 2011-01-22 08:39:00.293 +0000
>>>> OS Version: Mac OS X 10.5.8 (9L31a)
>>>> Report Version: 6
>>>> Anonymous UUID: 8FB8271E-9890-4C6C-9F33-84EA391A8ACE
>>>>
>>>> Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
>>>> Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x00000000bf7ffb60
>>>> Crashed Thread: 1
>>>>
>>>> Thread 0:
>>>> 0 libobjc.A.dylib 0x95814904 _class_initialize +
>>>> 28
>>>> 1 libobjc.A.dylib 0x95814930 _class_initialize +
>>>> 72
>>>> 2 libobjc.A.dylib 0x95814930 _class_initialize +
>>>> 72
>>>> 3 libobjc.A.dylib 0x95814930 _class_initialize +
>>>> 72
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> 506 libobjc.A.dylib 0x95814930 _class_initialize +
>>>> 72
>>>> 507 libobjc.A.dylib 0x95814930 _class_initialize +
>>>> 72
>>>> 508 libobjc.A.dylib 0x95814930 _class_initialize +
>>>> 72
>>>>
>>>> Thread 1 Crashed:
>>>> 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0xffff8ad8 __memcpy + 824
>>>> (cpu_capabilities.h:237)
>>>> 1 com.clozure.Clozure CL-ppc32 0x00014500
>>>> create_thread_context_frame + 48 (ppc-exceptions.c:2562)
>>>> 2 com.clozure.Clozure CL-ppc32 0x00015078 openmcl_exc_server +
>>>> 152 (ppc-exceptions.c:2881)
>>>> 3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x918d2e8c mach_msg_server + 364
>>>> 4 com.clozure.Clozure CL-ppc32 0x00014740
>>>> exception_handler_proc + 32 (ppc-exceptions.c:2901)
>>>> 5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9188c0d0 _pthread_start + 316
>>>>
>>>> Thread 2:
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> and so on. If anybody is interested I can send the full report.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, I don't really have any other ideas at the moment. I'm
>>>> not an expert in CCL internals.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 21 Jan 2011, at 23:31, Paul Krueger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I just checked the target for that NIB and it's set to 10.5, so I
>>>>> suspect that isn't really the problem. Given that you got the tools loaded,
>>>>> you would also have loaded the Dev menu nib, so that probably wasn't a good
>>>>> guess on my part.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thinking about it, there are a couple of 10.6 specific Objective-C
>>>>> methods that I provide to make things work easier on 10.6 systems, but I
>>>>> provided an alternative set of 10.5 methods for cases where the 10.6
>>>>> versions aren't called. Although I tested that by removing the 10.6 methods
>>>>> and making sure that everything worked; something might have broken since I
>>>>> first tested it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Send that Console information if you can; maybe that will give me a
>>>>> hint.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Paul Krueger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It wasn't my intent to do anything that explicitly required 10.6, but
>>>>>> without the ability to test anywhere else I suppose I shouldn't be all that
>>>>>> surprised that something didn't work. Most of this worked on my system
>>>>>> before I upgraded to 10.6 last summer, but who knows what I did to break
>>>>>> things since then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check the console log for any messages there and let me know if you
>>>>>> see anything interesting; you usually will when things crash (use the
>>>>>> Console application found in /Application/Utilities). The code depends on
>>>>>> the NIB for the window and given that yours hung when you tried to open a
>>>>>> window it's possible that the format of the NIB changed and the newer
>>>>>> version caused a problem on your system (I was actually a victim of that
>>>>>> with a NIB generated by somebody else once).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If console messages lead us in that direction, then one thing we might
>>>>>> try is for me to send the nib in .xib format and let someone using 10.5 see
>>>>>> if that will open in InterfaceBuilder (it might not). If it did, they could
>>>>>> then save it as a .nib. One caveat here is that whoever does this would need
>>>>>> to have also built my lisp-controller IB plugin and installed it. That's
>>>>>> pretty much mandatory anyway if you want to use the tools going forward.
>>>>>> That process is documented in the "LispController Ref" document (either pdf
>>>>>> or rtfd versions). If somebody wants to try that on a 10.5 system, please
>>>>>> send me email privately and I'll send the .xib version to try. If that all
>>>>>> works I'll check in .xib versions of all my NIB files and recommend that
>>>>>> people convert them for earlier OS versions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, I'm not ungrateful at all, quite the opposite. I want this to
>>>>>> work for as many people as possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Paul Onions wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20 Jan 2011, at 15:58, Paul Krueger wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you are not interested in developing your own stand-alone
>>>>>>>> Macintosh application using CCL, you can ignore the rest of this email.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a minimal OS version required? I'm on OSX 10.5.8 (PowerPC)
>>>>>>> and although I can compile and load your contrib using (require
>>>>>>> :lisp-app-doc), when I select "New Lisp Application" from the File menu I
>>>>>>> get a beach ball followed a few seconds later by a crash notification.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW I don't want to seem ungrateful here. I can see you have put an
>>>>>>> enormous amount of effort into this and your documentation is excellent. I
>>>>>>> will understand completely if my old system is not supported anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Paul Onions
>>>>>>>
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