<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Normaùlly on my now famous french keyboard, I do exactly that : option-n, space and that produce a tilde (in all other apps on a french system but pro tools (audio app) that does not support `´¨^~ etc...<div>the ctrl-q, option-n, space crashes the ide (the console with a lots of red text).</div><div>the menuitem Special caracters also crash the ide in the same fashion...</div><div>the "only" way I found out, for now, to do this is to switch to an american keyboard, then type shift-`. This produce a small tilde (x2DC as explained Dickison - the "wrong" tilde then... ;-)) and this works...</div><div>on leopard you have acces to, under your "keyboard"-menu (if you want), a (in french) palette de caractères. this is actually the same thing/window that is called by the Special Caraters menu item in the IDE. you can double click to insert a sign or push the button "insert" to insert and both crashes the IDE...</div><div>In fact <i>any</i> (< > = - etc) sign inserted from this palette crashes the IDE...</div><div>SIncerely</div><div>Joakim</div><div><br><div><div>Le 7 avr. 09 à 20:26, Gary Byers a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>I've been playing around with enabling the input menu, adding various<br>input sources/keyboard layouts, toggling between them, and using<br>Keyboard Viewer to see how different characters are generated on<br>different keyboards. I have to admit that I don't know what the<br>correct way to enter a tilde on a French keyboard is. (In that<br>keyboard layout, option-n is a dead key which can combine with other<br>characters to produce tilde-accented variants of those characters; the<br>sequence "option-n, space" seems to produce a raw tilde, but that may<br>not be the best way to do it.)<br><br>As of r11903 in the trunk, one of the issues that's prevented some<br>parts of this (including dead key handling) from working for the last<br>year or so is at least worked around, so it's possible to do "ctrl-q,<br>option-n, space" (where the "q" is to the right of the caps lock key<br>in the French layout) to insert a tilde. That's awkward enough that<br>Daniel's suggestion of using Ukelele to generate a custom keyboard<br>layout may be attractive.<br><br>(With that workaround in the trunk, it's also possible to use the<br>"Special Characters ..." option on the Edit menu or other means to<br>open the "Character Palette", hunt around for tilde (in "Punctuation"),<br>select it, and click on the "insert" button. Again, Daniel's suggestion<br>seems attractive.)<br><br><br>On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, Joakim Sandgren wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">if i hit option-n in ukelele the output inspector show U+007E... seems to be the right key then ?.. J<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Le 7 avr. 09 à 15:00, Daniel Dickison a écrit :<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Well a plain standalone 'tilde' as used by FORMAT is a different character than the tilde accent character. On my US keyboard, typing option-shift-n gives me the character #\Small_Tilde (#x2DC) while the real "Tilde" (#x7E) is typed by Shift-backtick (the key to the left of the "1"). Is it possible that option-n is giving you #x2DC instead of #x7E?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I'm not sure exactly what your keyboard is doing, but Mac OS X lets you customize keyboard layouts via an XML file, and there's a nice GUI front end to this functionality called Ukulele:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <a href="http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=Ukelele">http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=Ukelele</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">You might find it useful to create a "Lisp Layout" which makes it easier to type the various Common Lisp special characters. (I have one that modifies Dvorak to makes it easier to type paretheses, tilde, # etc.)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Apr 7, 2009, at 3:29 AM, Joakim Sandgren wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I'm working on ccl IDE 1.3 32bits,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">just tried c-q and then option n to have a tilde but that just gave me the console with a lots of red text...<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Joakim<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Joakim Sandgren<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">joakim sandgren musik<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">42, rue de Maubeuge<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">75009 Paris<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">France<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">+33 (0)1 45 26 43 90<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:info@joakimsandgren.com">info@joakimsandgren.com</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.joakimsandgren.com">http://www.joakimsandgren.com</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Openmcl-devel mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Openmcl-devel@clozure.com">Openmcl-devel@clozure.com</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel">http://clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Joakim Sandgren<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">joakim sandgren musik<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">42, rue de Maubeuge<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">75009 Paris<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">France<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">+33 (0)1 45 26 43 90<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:info@joakimsandgren.com">info@joakimsandgren.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.joakimsandgren.com">http://www.joakimsandgren.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; 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