<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Hi Janusz --</div><div><br></div><div>I guess it depends on what you mean by usable.</div><div><br></div><div>Our goal for the current work we're doing on the IDE is to make it usable, as defined by the people who contributed money. We talked to those people and committed to making the improvements they've requested. That work is underway. It isn't being documented in real time, but you can get a sense of what's happening here: <a href="http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/timeline">http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/timeline</a> . The current list of planned improvements can be gleaned from the trac tickets visible here:</div><div><a href="http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/query?milestone=Cocoa+IDE+v1&order=priority">http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/query?milestone=Cocoa+IDE+v1&order=priority</a></div><div><br></div><div>While that isn't a full blown commercial development plan, we feel like it's good progress from where things have been. Another specific goal of the current work is to make it easier for users to contribute improvements to the IDE, as they could to the MCL IDE.</div><div><br></div><div>All that said, we agree that there's plenty more work to do. We'd be interesting in hearing more about what you'd like to see. What's the definition of a stable CCL that you could use for porting your project? Feel free to e-mail us, or discuss it on-list, or we could also set up a time to talk. We'd be happy to try to incorporate your feedback into our current round of work, or set up a specific small contract with you for improvements, or perhaps use a pledge from you as the starting point for a second round of improvements to the IDE.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div>Clozure Associates</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Apr 4, 2009, at 7:07 AM, Janusz Podrazik wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Hello,<div><br></div><div>I wonder when can we expect a usable version of <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">Clozure CL - replacement to MCL.</span></div> <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">Since a long time not much has changed in the CL COCOA interface.</span></div> <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">Save window position, and save open files are not implemented.</span></div> <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">TOOLS windows - are not consistent in design, not mentioning all the other basics which are needed in NEW modern Clozure MCL.</span></div> <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">The best solution would be a commercial release/product, for which the possible users could contribute now.</span></div> <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">I am not talking about sponsoring a project which hasn't a concrete timeline, I am talking about paying for a commercial product now,</span></div> <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">which will be realized let say in 6 months time. I would be very happy to pay 500-700 EUR knowing that in 6 months we could start porting our product</span></div> <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">with a new stable Clozure CL or Clozure MCL.</span></div> <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">I think Clozure may need/should come up with ideas/suggestions on how all this can be accomplished.</span></div> <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">I would be very interested to know if such a plan could be realized.</span></div> <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">Best wishes,</span></div> <div>--<br>Janusz Podrazik<br>MRAC Publishing<br><a href="mailto:info@mracpublishing.com">info@mracpublishing.com</a><br><a href="http://www.januszpodrazik.com">http://www.januszpodrazik.com</a><br> </div> _______________________________________________<br>info-mcl mailing list<br><a href="mailto:info-mcl@clozure.com">info-mcl@clozure.com</a><br>http://clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/info-mcl<br></blockquote></div><br></body></html>