<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>The golden rule of user interface design 101 is that if multiple users are confused about something there is usually no point for the designer of the interface to claim that he or she does not find it confusing. People are trying to help you and you are basically belittling these comments.</div><div><br></div><div>I did not make that particular comment regarding the trac page. As I said before, I find the site as a whole a bit confusing not any particular page. Look, what most of us want to do is to get some general information, download the app, access the source, and get some support. This is pretty basic stuff. It is great that you offer all of these pages/sites:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://trac.clozure.com">http://trac.clozure.com</a> <a href="http://ccl.clozure.com">http://ccl.clozure.com</a> <a href="http://svn.clozure.com">http://svn.clozure.com</a> <a href="http://openmcl.clozure.com">http://openmcl.clozure.com</a> <a href="http://www.clozure.com/">http://www.clozure.com/</a></div><div><br></div><div>I am not even sure I found them all. The issue is quite simply that there is NO SINGLE NAVIGATION that is common to all these sites. Even the most simple navigation tab structure (e.g., Home, Download, Support, ...) shared between the sites would work wonders. Make it a frame it you must. Finding the right link somewhere on some page to move from one site to another IS confusing.</div><div><br></div><div>This may not be the worlds greatest example but it does feature the kind of navigation that the Clozure site is missing: <a href="http://www.openoffice.org">http://www.openoffice.org</a></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks but no thanks to the dancing girls ;-) but navigation would be nice.</div><div><br></div><div>Alex</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Apr 25, 2009, at 10:32 PM, R. Matthew Emerson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">The Trac page (<a href="http://trac.clozure.com/ccl">http://trac.clozure.com/ccl</a>) seems pretty clear to me. <br>There is a table on that page in the section called "Getting Clozure <br>CL" that includes links to archives for all the platforms. Maybe I <br>should put some animated dancing girls or something next to it so that <br>it stands out better.<br></span></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Prof. Alexander Repenning</font></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px">University of Colorado</p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px">Computer Science Department</p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px">Boulder, CO 80309-430</p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">vCard: <a href="http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~ralex/AlexanderRepenning.vcf">http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~ralex/AlexanderRepenning.vcf</a></font></p><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span></span></div></span> </div><br></body></html>