<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>I have spent quite a bit of time with the CCL 1.3 IDE. While there are some occasional glitches overall the IDE is pretty usable. Closing the AltConsole window has been a problem in most cases. Basically, I never close it. A clear output button would be nice.</div><div><br></div><div>Alex</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On May 19, 2009, at 8:46 PM, Ron Garret wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I think "very unstable" is putting it much too harshly. I've encountered what appears at the moment to be two problems, one of which I think is well on the way to being solved, and neither of which seems to be affecting anybody but me. My impression is that the IDE is very nearly ready for prime time, at least for my needs. I'm pretty close to going back to CCL as my primary development platform.<br><div><br></div><div>rg</div><div><br><div><div>On May 19, 2009, at 3:07 PM, John McAleely wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I've held off from responding on this thread for a while, but your description of using the IDE and finding it very unstable is exactly the experience I had a couple of months ago.<div><br></div><div>I would have been using 1.2, so when you reported 1.3 was similar, I was assuming the work in trunk might make my experience irrelevant. However, now that it seems that some users of trunk can use it successfully, while you see instability means I do at least want to observe that I saw the same sort of problems you see.</div><div><br></div><div>My usage was a Saturday spent prototyping non critical (and very newbie) code. I resolved not to touch the IDE again until the current work package was concluded. (My production use of CCL is all via the command line).</div><div><br></div><div>I assumed all IDE users experienced the same problems, and that my lack of experience would reduce the value of bug reports, given that more experienced people would also find these. If that is not the case, I am inclined to find some time to play a little more in my setup and see if I can create reproducible bugs, rather than simply a long winded 'me too' posting on this list.</div><div><br></div><div>J</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 19 May 2009, at 22:53, Ron Garret wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On May 19, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Ron Garret wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On May 19, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Raffael Cavallaro wrote:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: -1; ">I don't see any of this. I'm running trunk though. Maybe you should switch?</span></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Trying that now. For the record, the version I was running came from the instructions on <a href="http://trac.clozure.com/openmcl">http://trac.clozure.com/openmcl</a>:</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana; font-size: 13px; "><p>The preferred way to get Clozure CL is <strong>via Subversion</strong>. For example, to get Clozure CL 1.3 for Darwin/x86, you'd type (where the <tt style="white-space: pre; ">$</tt> is the shell prompt):</p><pre class="wiki" style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(247, 247, 247); border-top-width: 1px; border-right-width: 1px; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-width: 1px; border-top-style: solid; border-right-style: solid; border-bottom-style: solid; border-left-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(215, 215, 215); border-right-color: rgb(215, 215, 215); border-bottom-color: rgb(215, 215, 215); border-left-color: rgb(215, 215, 215); margin-top: 1em; margin-right: 1.75em; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1.75em; padding-top: 0.25em; padding-right: 0.25em; padding-bottom: 0.25em; padding-left: 0.25em; overflow-x: auto; overflow-y: auto; position: static; z-index: auto; ">$ svn co <a href="http://svn.clozure.com/publicsvn/openmcl/release/1.3/darwinx86/ccl">http://svn.clozure.com/publicsvn/openmcl/release/1.3/darwinx86/ccl</a></pre></span></div></div><br><div>If people should be running the trunk this probably ought to be changed or I'm not going to be the only one having these problems.</div><div><br></div><div>Also for the record, I can tolerate a certain amount of instability at the moment if problems like this are being fixed relatively quickly (like hours to days rather than weeks to months). I'm not doing anything mission-critical right now, so it's actually a good time for me to be a guinea pig.</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>Youch! Brain wedgie. Of course, the trunk *is* the bleeding edge.</div><div><br></div><div>rg</div><div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Openmcl-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Openmcl-devel@clozure.com">Openmcl-devel@clozure.com</a><br><a href="http://clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel">http://clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Openmcl-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Openmcl-devel@clozure.com">Openmcl-devel@clozure.com</a><br><a href="http://clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel">http://clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Openmcl-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Openmcl-devel@clozure.com">Openmcl-devel@clozure.com</a><br>http://clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel<br></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Prof. Alexander Repenning</font></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px">University of Colorado</p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px">Computer Science Department</p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px">Boulder, CO 80309-430</p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">vCard: <a href="http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~ralex/AlexanderRepenning.vcf">http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~ralex/AlexanderRepenning.vcf</a></font></p><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span></span></div></span> </div><br></body></html>