<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Do you want your end users to see these messages?<div><br></div><div>Many "real" Macintosh applications send to the system log files. Most Mac users never see these messages, but if you look at the log files they're there. I wouldn't think it would be hard for CCL to do the same, rather than sending output to the Alt Console. But of course, it won't be visible to the user then.</div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On May 20, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Alexander Repenning wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>you have my vote too for the black text color. I don't mind the console looking different but the red font does look a tad disturbing. When running our event code in LUI we do produce output which always ends up in the AltConsole. At any rate this should not be hard to "fix". I suggest to include a config file for the console, e.g.,</div><div><br></div><div>textColor = "000000" /* black</div><div><br></div><div>This way everybody can have it their way.</div><div><br></div><div>Here is a harder problem that we face: The console is fine for developer mode but in end-user mode, i.e., when using CCL to create a complete app without listener and with custom menus we absolutely cannot have the Altconsole. In MCL this was not exactly trivial to achieve either. We had to create a pretty complex conditions handler case that would catch all the conditions, present them in a standard dialog, e.g., simple-condition: division-by-zero "OK" and continue in some meaningful way, e.g., stop simulation, adjust controls such as run/stop/step buttons, and restart the event loop. Using native threads I can already anticipate tricky challenges but if CCL is to be used to build "real" applications this kind of functionality is rather crucial.</div><div><br></div><div>What to do?</div><div><br></div><div>Alex</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On May 20, 2009, at 7:43 PM, John McAleely wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Is there a reason why the text in it is red, and not black like every<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">other window?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Because it's not like every other window ?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">AltConsole is a (small) separate application; it's supposed to provide<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">a primitive terminal-like interface to GUI applications that don't<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ordinarily have such an interface. If its window appears, there's<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">a good chance that that's because of something anomalous and that<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">something probably requires user or developer attention.<br></blockquote><br>I understand the special status of this application window, and I <br>empathise with the attempt to draw attention to it.<br><br>However, the text is marginally harder to read, and I fail to believe <br>colouring it red provides any meaningful extra information to a <br>developer or user. I feel it also manages to look surprisingly like <br>some sort of bug itself.<br><br>J<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Openmcl-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Openmcl-devel@clozure.com">Openmcl-devel@clozure.com</a><br><a href="http://clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel">http://clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel</a><br><br></div></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Prof. Alexander Repenning</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">University of Colorado</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Computer Science Department</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Boulder, CO 80309-430</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">vCard: <a href="http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~ralex/AlexanderRepenning.vcf">http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~ralex/AlexanderRepenning.vcf</a></font></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div> </div><br></div>_______________________________________________<br>Openmcl-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Openmcl-devel@clozure.com">Openmcl-devel@clozure.com</a><br>http://clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel<br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>