<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">do not shoot the messenger. This is comment on CCL and its IDE collected here: <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><a href="http://code.google.com/p/xmlisp/downloads/list">http://code.google.com/p/xmlisp/downloads/list</a> </span></span></font></div><div><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><br></span></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13px; ">Reported by <a href="http://code.google.com/u/zos156/" style="white-space: nowrap; ">zos156</a>, <span class="date" title="Fri May 22 08:09:23 2009">May 22 (4 days ago)</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13px; "><pre style="font-size: 12px; overflow-x: hidden; overflow-y: hidden; padding-left: 0.7em; "></pre></span></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13px; "><pre style="font-size: 12px; overflow-x: hidden; overflow-y: hidden; padding-left: 0.7em; ">CCL is a mess and should not be used to deliver anything
resembling an end-user application, much less used to teach
newbies opengl/and-or lisp. This is exactly the sort of app
that turns people away from Lisp alltogether. If you can not
do it right, its better not to do it at all.
Detailed issues: 80% of the examples do not run as condition
is thrown about TITLE missing. It would be good if the example code
within the examples was uncommented and ran on 'compile and load file'.
The IDE is abysmally bad to the point of becoming a mockery of Lisp.
Extremelly unstable, beach balls all the time seemingly for no reason at
all, lack of customization, stupid defaults, alien look & feel with no
relevance to Apple HIG. Most importantly: It does not inspire confidence
for someone to make the investment and learn/use lisp.</pre></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>The one comment about an error (XMLisp related) is something that we cannot reproduce. Perhaps somebody else can? Maybe this is an issue with running CCL on OS X < 10.5</div><div><br></div></div><div>Regarding IDE, I would like to hear from <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13px; "><a href="http://code.google.com/u/zos156/" style="white-space: nowrap; ">zos156</a>, whoever you are, what kind of IDE would you like?</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">alex</span></font></div><div><br></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Prof. Alexander Repenning</font></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px">University of Colorado</p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px">Computer Science Department</p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px">Boulder, CO 80309-430</p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">vCard: <a href="http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~ralex/AlexanderRepenning.vcf">http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~ralex/AlexanderRepenning.vcf</a></font></p><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span></span></div> </div><br></body></html>