<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On May 27, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Rainer Joswig wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div>The next question is 'user expectation'.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>What kind of IDE are users expecting?</b></div><div><br></div><div>* Eclipse-like, because the users are students and know mostly Eclipse? An MCL-like IDE will not do it for them. They want windows full of widgets, wizards, tiled windows, large preference dialogues, lots of XML configuration files, ...</div><div><br></div><div>* MCL-like, because the users are homeless ex-MCL users?</div><div><br></div><div>* XCode-like, because the CCL IDE users are on the Mac anyway?</div><div><br></div><div>* Somehow integrating with Xcode and some of its tools (Interface Builder, ...)?</div><div><br></div><div>* Emacs/SLIME-like?</div><div><br></div><div>* Something new?</div><div><br></div><div>* None? Because they use Emacs/SLIME or Eclipse with Lisp support?</div></span></blockquote></div><br><div><br></div><div>Clozure has just announced a Rosette port of MCL on Intel! We have another possible model for a CCL IDE:</div><div><br></div><div>Terje Norderhaug has done some interesting preliminary work using MCL as a generic Lisp IDE. MCL handles events and displays tools while a separate Lisp process runs the code. It uses the Slime/Swank protocol.</div><div><br></div><div>Now I would prefer a version of CCL doing the same thing, but if Terje's code is in good shape, we can do a proof of concept right now.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></body></html>