<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><br></div><div>On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Shalit <<a href="mailto:alms@clozure.com">alms@clozure.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div><span></span></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><base href="data:">We've been looking into this.<div><br></div><div>As far as we've seen, there shouldn't be an issue with CCL-based apps per se. On the other hand, the entitlements that are available are very limited, so there are many kinds of apps that you wouldn't be able to sell, regardless of what programming language they were written in. For example, sandboxed apps can only access individual files that are selected by the user with the standard Open dialog; there is no way to gain read or read/write access to a whole folder of files, even if the user chooses the folder. There is no way to access files in your home directory, or even know where your home directory is. There is no way to do any generalized file system access. So you can say goodbye to FTP programs, disk cleanup programs, alternate Finders, etc.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>To say a bit more:<div><br></div><div>No development environments or website construction tools, because there is no way to access all the files in a project, not to mention linking in third-party libraries. </div><div><br></div><div>It's really very limited. <br><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Apple just extended the deadline from November 1st until March and they've started soliciting feedback from developers. I hope that they expand the range of entitlements that are available. As it stands, the range of apps that will be available in the Mac App Store will drop dramatically come March.</div><div><br></div><div>I'd encourage anyone who is a registered Mac developer to let Apple know what you think.</div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 5, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Alexander Repenning wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><base href="data:"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><base href="data:"><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; color: black; text-align: left; ">This news is relevant not to iPhone but to Mac app development. Has somebody looked at the detailed technical requirements resulting from the Mac App sandboxing for CCL-based Mac apps and is willing to share some opinions about direct consequences for Mac app developers? I am most interested in CCL based apps and less in CCL as IDE. </div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; color: black; text-align: left; "><br></div><a href="http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/11/03/1532203/apple-to-require-sandboxing-for-mac-app-store-apps">http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/11/03/1532203/apple-to-require-sandboxing-for-mac-app-store-apps</a><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Specifically, is CCL using any APIs that would no longer be accessible in a sandboxed version? What other restrictions would there be for users to save and load project build in CCL-based Mac apps?</div><div><br></div><div>Alex<br><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; color: black; text-align: left; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><br><br><div>
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