<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Ron Garret wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>I should add: the fact that CCL runs on Linux and Android is one of the things that gives me hope for the world.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>This is getting a bit off topic but...</div><div><br></div><div>I do agree that some of the things Apple has added are of dubious value however I have not seen any real problems with recent versions of OS X that a grown man can't handle. Perhaps Apple is going a little nuts but perhaps we are all getting a little older and crankier. Have you looked at Windows lately? We could talk about the pros and cons of various operating systems until we are blue in the face. However, is it not much more important to think about the users of our programs? In our case, with educational technology, users simply want to use OS X or Windows and are completely fine doing so. I have to see a kid having problems with something like OS X. Also, about the 30% Apple tax. With OS X nobody is stopping you to have your application featured on your own web page or to use other stores. Have you used some of these stores? We have. It is not a pretty picture. Give that the Apple Store may actually give you some exposure and deals with a lot of crap you don't want to deal with the 30% tax sound just fine to me.</div><div><br></div><div>best, </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>On Apr 18, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Shannon Spires wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">On Apr 18, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Ron Garret wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">+1<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">My iPhone 4S and my 2011 Macbook Pro are almost certainly my last Apple products. You can pry my Snow Leopard from my cold, dead hands.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">:-(<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">rg<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Thanks Ron. I couldn't agree more. I've been an Apple supporter since I bought a Lisa to do Mac development in 1984, but now I'm done. I'm fed up with them adding new features that break my workflow, taking away features I desperately need, and never fixing longstanding bugs. But their paternalistic attitude with the Mac App Store and the IOS App Store was the final straw. Oh, you want final say over ever program I run on my machine? And you want 30 cents of every dollar I pay for software? Screw you, Apple. Screw you.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">My computing devices in future will be entirely open-source, or I won't be using a computer. I've had it.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-SS<br></blockquote><br>_______________________________________________<br>Openmcl-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Openmcl-devel@clozure.com">Openmcl-devel@clozure.com</a><br>http://clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel<br></div></blockquote></div><br><div>
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