<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 30, 2017, at 11:12 AM, Rainer Joswig <<a href="mailto:joswig@lisp.de" class="">joswig@lisp.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class=""><div class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">To all of you, to all my Lisper friends: I genuinely admire and respect you, I idolise and adore you. You are the bee’s knees, and so is Lisp. Now, for ----’s sake, stop being bloody programmers and think of what a scientist or engineer or anyone who CAN understand the basic logical concepts of Lisp might need, to GET STARTED. Maybe start the guide with examples. It may work wonders.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">food for thought.</div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">Making a modern version of MCL would be a lot of work. Today's systems are more complex, more demanding, and more restrictive than the environment MCL ran in. I'd like to have something more like it, myself, but I don't know who is rich enough, knowledgeable enough, and motivated enough to do that work.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It might be possible either to build a beginner's Lisp on Lispworks and CAPI that offers a much simplified and more accessible programming environment for beginners, hobbyists, and other users with less need for the full Lispworks IDE experience.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Or it might be possible to build such a thing on something like commonQT and qtlibs. From time to time I've considered making a new version of Alpaca for that purpose. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(Alpaca was a WYSIWIG word processor I wrote circa 2000 to support my writing work. It was written in CCL and had a Cocoa interface and Emacs-style programmability. It's possible I could do something similar on common qt with a different focus--more oriented toward easy ways of getting UI elements on the screen. I'm slower than I used to be, though.)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>