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It's quite an entertaining and also illuminating talk! I don't have
chance to see a lisp machine, but MCL is just great. Also happy to have a
knowledge in Clozure CL's GC and future plans. I'm quite busy in recent
job in a startup and looking for a new role that hopefully have more
time to contribute to lisp and open source. I learned a few new skills
this year, for every thing I learn I always think about how lisp can
benefit from this ideas or similar feature can be implemented in lisp. I
think a not difficult, but definitely quite helpful thing to common
lisp community will be an excellent (command line) build tool. I expect
it expose asdf and quicklisp's feautures, with a few more like local
package versioning, create project from template (quickproject, but
provide more useful project templates), etc. It should have at least the
feautres as leiningen in cli, and having lisp script driven build like
boot-clj (maybe just a few more asdf extensions?) And as easy as a lisp
programmer can only remember a few command to start a new project,
install/update dependency, run, test, package a project. The best of
this is rust's cargo, people can use it fluently in a few minutes, quite
pleasant to start a rust project and, then, painful to write rust code
:) We have a few quicklisp projects doing some of task (roswell, qlot),
but they're not well integrated, as easy as a few commands, and flexible
enough to customize any task with lisp code. With a tool like this, not
only programmers of other lanaguages can start with write some lisp
code without much pain, but also it'll ease our workflow, make existing
library more reliable (by more easilly to add test and local dependency
with version), well integrated with currently mainstream cli based
deployments (docker, kubernetes, gcloud/aws, ci/cd tools). And this will
make common lisp a "modern" choice to write microservices and so more
people will write more lisp libraries. I think compare to it's
difficulty and the benefit it's worth doing.
</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 11:20 PM Robert Goldman <<a href="mailto:rpgoldman@sift.info">rpgoldman@sift.info</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p dir="auto">Cheers,<br>
R</p>
<br><p dir="auto">On 22 Oct 2018, at 9:33, Bruce O'Neel wrote:</p>
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<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777;color:#777;margin:0 0 5px;padding-left:5px"><div id="m_2835600649087274136B6766B0C-5D83-4C66-AA43-80B0C42E9D5D"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id="m_2835600649087274136editorUserSignature" style="display:none"><br></div><div>Hi<br></div><div><br></div><div>At a past job I used MCL on my Powerbook 540c upgraded to the underperforming PPC 603e running at 100mhz for personal development and experimentation. Production was on TI Explorers. My powerbook was about 2x faster than the Explorers until it ran out of memory. To be fairer to the Explorers this was about 10 years after they were made, but it wasn't like that 603e was winning any benchmark races either.<br></div><div><br></div><div>cheers<br></div><div><br></div><div>bruce</div><div><br></div><div><i>22 October 2018 06:31 Chris Hanson <<a href="mailto:cmhanson@eschatologist.net" target="_blank">cmhanson@eschatologist.net</a>> wrote:</i><br></div><blockquote class="m_2835600649087274136infmailquote"><div>As someone who’s studied their history, I seriously think that CCL/MCL is an under-acknowledged participant in the death of Lisp Machines: When you could use a Macintosh for development nearly as effectively as a Lisp Machine for barely a tenth the cost (or even less), and deploy on Macintosh as well, why spend all that money on specialized hardware? Especially since by the 1990s the Lisp Machines were falling far behind on performance. <br></div><div> <br></div><div> -- Chris <br></div><div> <br></div><div> > On Oct 19, 2018, at 8:55 AM, Ron Garret wrote: <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > " an intrepid band of hackers formed a little company called Coral Software. And Coral Common Lisp was their product that they managed to put together, and it came out in 1987, and … they had a Common Lisp (it didn’t have CLOS, so it was CLTL1), [which] ran on a 1MB Macintosh Plus, this incredibly weak hardware. So that was a real accomplishment.” <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > Not only did they have a CL that ran on a 1MB Mac Plus, it had an IDE! And not only did it have an IDE, it had one of the best IDEs ever. You can still run it on emulators today, and it is still usable — even competitive — today. It had an interactive interface builder that is still to this day superior to anything I have seen anywhere. I still miss it. (I used the original CCL to do my masters thesis back in 1987 and it spoiled me on IDEs for life. I’ve been a grumpy old man ever since.) <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > I would rank the original CCL as a technical achievement on a par with the Macintosh itself. <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > rg <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > On Oct 18, 2018, at 5:12 PM, R. Matthew Emerson wrote: <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> >> I was invited to give a talk at this year’s European Lisp Symposium in Marbella, Spain. It was a great conference. I highly recommend that you try to attend next the next one if you possibly can. It will be in Genoa, Italy. See <a href="https://european-lisp-symposium.org" target="_blank">https://european-lisp-symposium.org</a>. <br></div><div> >> <br></div><div> >> Anyway, I prepared a web site that contains a video of the talk and also a written transcript with slides included in the text in the appropriate places. <br></div><div> >> <br></div><div> >> The link is <a href="http://thisoldlisp.com/talks/els-2018/" target="_blank">http://thisoldlisp.com/talks/els-2018/</a> <br></div><div> >> <br></div><div> >> It’s not really very technical in nature (it’s meant to be entertaining and encouraging), but maybe some of you would enjoy it. <br></div><div> >> <br></div><div> >> <br></div><div> >> _______________________________________________ <br></div><div> >> Openmcl-devel mailing list <br></div><div> >> <a href="mailto:Openmcl-devel@clozure.com" target="_blank">Openmcl-devel@clozure.com</a> <br></div><div> >> <a href="https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel</a> <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > _______________________________________________ <br></div><div> > Openmcl-devel mailing list <br></div><div> > <a href="mailto:Openmcl-devel@clozure.com" target="_blank">Openmcl-devel@clozure.com</a> <br></div><div> > <a href="https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel</a> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> _______________________________________________ <br></div><div> Openmcl-devel mailing list <br></div><div> <a href="mailto:Openmcl-devel@clozure.com" target="_blank">Openmcl-devel@clozure.com</a> <br></div><div> <a href="https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel</a> <br></div><div> <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></blockquote>
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