<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">I do some Cocoa development also, but as Paul noted, Cocoa is a moving target and I long ago decided to stop chasing it. My machines are all frozen at Mavericks and I don’t update them any more, so what I’m doing is likely to have only limited utility for anyone else.<div><br></div><div>I do a lot of non-Cocoa development in CCL. It’s my primary coding and deployment platform. (I’m working on an ACME client even as I write this if anyone is interested.) I keep a stock of old Macbook Pros and spare batteries for this purpose, so I can keep running Mavericks. I honestly don’t know what I’m going to do when the last one dies. That will be a very sad day for me.</div><div><br></div><div>rg</div><div><br><div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 18, 2021, at 7:43 AM, Paul Krueger <<a href="mailto:plkrueger@comcast.net">plkrueger@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">The list is active, but not as active as it used to be. The CCL developers can speak for themselves about the state of CCL development.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As far as Cocoa goes, I still think the Cocoa interface in CCL was done extremely well. A number of years ago I put together a pretty extensive amount of code that built on top of that. A few other people, including the CCL developers, did similar things. For a while my code was distributed as one of the user contribs to CCL, but that is no longer done. You can still get my code at <a href="https://github.com/plkrueger/CocoaInterface" class="">https://github.com/plkrueger/CocoaInterface</a>. But Cocoa has been a constantly moving target and I have not maintained that code for some time now, so there may well be issues with it, I honestly do not know for sure. My own work has evolved to do more web interfaces and I occasionally interface with Python to get access to things like graph libraries. If you try my code and run into issues, feel free to contact me directly and I can try to help.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Paul</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 17, 2021, at 10:24 PM, <a href="mailto:michael@stray-hound.com" class="">michael@stray-hound.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hello!<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Is this list active? How about CCL itself?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The Cocoa stuff appears to have been given up on. Is that accurate?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">Michael</div><br class=""><div class="">
<div style="letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><font face="Menlo" style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><b class="">---<br class=""></b></font><div class=""><span style="white-space: pre; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12px;" class=""><font color="#941100" face="Menlo" class=""><b class="">The Rules of Optimization are simple: </b></font></span></div><div class=""><span style="white-space: pre; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12px;" class=""><font color="#941100" face="Menlo" class=""><b class=""> 1. Don't do it. </b></font></span></div><div class=""><span style="white-space: pre; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12px;" class=""><font color="#941100" face="Menlo" class=""><b class=""> 2. (for experts only) </b></font></span><b style="color: rgb(148, 17, 0); font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;" class="">Don't do it yet.</b></div><div class=""><span style="white-space: pre; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font color="#941100" class=""><font face="Menlo" class=""><span style="font-size: 12px;" class=""><b class=""> -- Michael A. Jackson, "Principles of Program Design", 1975</b></span></font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, Luxi Sans, sans-serif" style="font-size: 14px;" class="">.</font></font></span></div></div></div></div></div>
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