<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">Ron, Paul!</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I understand well the problem of chasing a moving target. I stopped running in 2007 or so.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I’m still using MCL 5.1b4 on PPC hardware for development work. Last year I bought 5 working single and dual G5 machines (not liquid cooled) for about 3% of their initial price.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I’m hoping that the show stopper for this ridiculous situation will be at the latest in 2037 when the hardware won’t work anymore due to some time overflow issue. It will also be way past my bedtime then. :)</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Toomas</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 18. Apr 2021, at 18.02, Ron Garret <ron@flownet.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252">I do some Cocoa development also, but as Paul noted, Cocoa is a moving target and I long ago decided to stop chasing it. My machines are all frozen at Mavericks and I don’t update them any more, so what I’m doing is likely to have only limited utility for anyone else.<div><br></div><div>I do a lot of non-Cocoa development in CCL. It’s my primary coding and deployment platform. (I’m working on an ACME client even as I write this if anyone is interested.) I keep a stock of old Macbook Pros and spare batteries for this purpose, so I can keep running Mavericks. I honestly don’t know what I’m going to do when the last one dies. That will be a very sad day for me.</div><div><br></div><div>rg</div><div><br><div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 18, 2021, at 7:43 AM, Paul Krueger <<a href="mailto:plkrueger@comcast.net">plkrueger@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">The list is active, but not as active as it used to be. The CCL developers can speak for themselves about the state of CCL development.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As far as Cocoa goes, I still think the Cocoa interface in CCL was done extremely well. A number of years ago I put together a pretty extensive amount of code that built on top of that. A few other people, including the CCL developers, did similar things. For a while my code was distributed as one of the user contribs to CCL, but that is no longer done. You can still get my code at <a href="https://github.com/plkrueger/CocoaInterface" class="">https://github.com/plkrueger/CocoaInterface</a>. But Cocoa has been a constantly moving target and I have not maintained that code for some time now, so there may well be issues with it, I honestly do not know for sure. My own work has evolved to do more web interfaces and I occasionally interface with Python to get access to things like graph libraries. If you try my code and run into issues, feel free to contact me directly and I can try to help.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Paul</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 17, 2021, at 10:24 PM, <a href="mailto:michael@stray-hound.com" class="">michael@stray-hound.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hello!<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Is this list active? How about CCL itself?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The Cocoa stuff appears to have been given up on. Is that accurate?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">Michael</div><br class=""><div class="">
<div style="letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><font face="Menlo" style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><b class="">---<br class=""></b></font><div class=""><span style="white-space: pre; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12px;" class=""><font color="#941100" face="Menlo" class=""><b class="">The Rules of Optimization are simple: </b></font></span></div><div class=""><span style="white-space: pre; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12px;" class=""><font color="#941100" face="Menlo" class=""><b class=""> 1. Don't do it. </b></font></span></div><div class=""><span style="white-space: pre; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12px;" class=""><font color="#941100" face="Menlo" class=""><b class=""> 2. (for experts only) </b></font></span><b style="color: rgb(148, 17, 0); font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;" class="">Don't do it yet.</b></div><div class=""><span style="white-space: pre; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font color="#941100" class=""><font face="Menlo" class=""><span style="font-size: 12px;" class=""><b class=""> -- Michael A. Jackson, "Principles of Program Design", 1975</b></span></font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, Luxi Sans, sans-serif" style="font-size: 14px;" class="">.</font></font></span></div></div></div></div></div>
</div>
<br class=""></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">Openmcl-devel mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Openmcl-devel@clozure.com" class="">Openmcl-devel@clozure.com</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel">https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Openmcl-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Openmcl-devel@clozure.com">Openmcl-devel@clozure.com</a><br>https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel<br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Openmcl-devel mailing list</span><br><span>Openmcl-devel@clozure.com</span><br><span>https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel</span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>