<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Excellent, many thanks Myra!<div>Thanks for also stating the hardware and OS versions in your instructions.<br><div>I'll try this out as soon as possible.<div><br></div><div>Toomas</div><div><br><div><div>On 2.09.2021, at 17:55, Myra Jean Prelle wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I tried do a write up about the steps I took. If you haven’t tried already to make the CCL app, see if this writeup helps. If you find a better way, maybe you can add suggestions that reflects your own experience.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""></div></div><span><ccl_app_create_1sep2021></span><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 2, 2021, at 2:08 AM, Toomas Altosaar <<a href="mailto:toomas.altosaar@gmail.com" class="">toomas.altosaar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Great going Myra that you got it up and running!</div><div dir="ltr" class="">I’ll use this mail thread as installation instructions for myself.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 2. Sep 2021, at 1.44, Myra Jean Prelle <<a href="mailto:mjp32@comcast.net" class="">mjp32@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class="">Thank you, your suggestion solved my problem.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-family: ArialMT;" class="">As you suggested, I got darwin86 file itself by going to </span><span class="" style="font-family: ui-monospace, SFMono-Regular, "SF Mono", Menlo, Consolas, "Liberation Mono", monospace; caret-color: rgb(36, 41, 46); color: rgb(36, 41, 46); font-size: 13.600000381469727px;"><a href="https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/releases/download/v1.12/darwinx86.tar.gz" class="">https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/releases/download/v1.12/darwinx86.tar.gz</a></span><div class="" style="font-family: ArialMT;">in a browser, and it downloaded the darwin86 file</div><div class="" style="font-family: ArialMT;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: ArialMT;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(47, 255, 18); color: rgb(47, 255, 18); font-family: "Andale Mono"; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class="">kumquat-2:ccl-dev myra$ tar -xf ../darwinx86.tar </span></div><div class="" style="font-family: ArialMT;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(47, 255, 18); color: rgb(47, 255, 18); font-family: "Andale Mono"; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class="" style="font-family: ArialMT;"><div class=""><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: "Andale Mono"; color: rgb(47, 255, 18); background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);">kumquat-2:darwinx8664 myra$ make clean</div><div class=""><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><br class=""></span></div></span></div><div class=""><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: "Andale Mono"; color: rgb(47, 255, 18); background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);"><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">kumquat-2:darwinx8664 myra$ make</span></div></div></span></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">All that seemed to work. Then I didn’t know how to start lisp. In an old email from R. Matthew Emerson from 3/1/19, I found:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span style="font-family: ArialMT;" class="">When you have followed those instructions, start up the lisp from the command-line (via ./dx86cl64 -n) and evaluate (require 'cocoa-application) to build a double-clickable app (it will be named Clozure CL64.app).</span></blockquote></div><div class=""><span style="font-family: ArialMT;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><font face="ArialMT" class="">So I did that, and it worked. Then my Mac security objected to this exotic application that it hadn’t blessed. When I calmed that down, Success!</font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">CCL is free software. It is distributed under the terms of the Apache</div><div class="">Licence, Version 2.0.</div><div class="">? (print 'hello)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">HELLO </div><div class="">HELLO</div><div class="">? </div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you all very much for your help,</div><div class="">Myra</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 1, 2021, at 2:16 PM, Bruce O'Neel <<a href="mailto:bruce.oneel@pckswarms.ch" class="">bruce.oneel@pckswarms.ch</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">HI,<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Your error is that last line from curl about a bad file descriptor because it could not connect to <a href="http://github.com/" class="">GitHub.com</a>.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Try running the curl command again and see if it downloads.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If not you can go to that URL in a web browser and download it that way.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">cheers<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">bruce</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="ik_mail_quote"><div class="">On 2021-09-01T19:46:22.000+02:00, Myra Jean Prelle <<a href="mailto:mjp32@comcast.net" class="">mjp32@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote class="ws-ng-quote"><div class="ws-ng-mail-style--144666eJwLLkjMBQADzwGS"><div class="">Hi CCl folks</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I tried following the instructions from: <a class="defaultMailLink" href="https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/releases" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-ik="ik-secure">https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/releases</a></div><div class="">but I’m having a problem:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class="">kumquat-2:lisp_ccl myra$ git clone <a class="defaultMailLink" href="https://github.com/Clozure/ccl.git" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-ik="ik-secure">https://github.com/Clozure/ccl.git</a> ccl-dev</div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class="">Cloning into 'ccl-dev'...</span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class="">remote: Enumerating objects: 31789, done.</span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class="">remote: Counting objects: 100% (138/138), done.</span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class="">remote: Compressing objects: 100% (108/108), done.</span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class="">remote: Total 31789 (delta 59), reused 67 (delta 30), pack-reused 31651</span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class="">Receiving objects: 100% (31789/31789), 46.11 MiB | 47.03 MiB/s, done.</span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class="">Resolving deltas: 100% (22959/22959), done.</span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class="">kumquat-2:lisp_ccl myra$ </span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);min-height:16px;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class=""></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);min-height:16px;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class=""></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class="">kumquat-2:lisp_ccl myra$ curl -L -O <a class="defaultMailLink" href="https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/releases/download/v1.12/darwinx86.tar.gz" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-ik="ik-secure">https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/releases/download/v1.12/darwinx86.tar.gz</a></span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class=""> % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current</span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class=""> Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed</span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class=""> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 --:--:-- 0:00:01 --:--:-- 0</span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class="">curl: (7) Failed to connect to <a class="defaultMailLink" href="http://github.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-ik="ik-secure">github.com</a> port 443: Bad file descriptor</span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class="">kumquat-2:lisp_ccl myra$ </span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class="">I looked in the ccl_dev directory, & there are a lot of good things there. But </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class="">kumquat-2:ccl-dev myra$ tar xf ../darwinx86.tar.gz</span></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:rgb(47, 255, 18);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.9);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;" class="">tar: Error opening archive: Failed to open '../darwinx86.tar.gz'</span></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Am I doing something wrong?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you for your help,</div><div class="">myra</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><hr class="">_______________________________________________
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<a class="defaultMailLink" href="https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-ik="ik-secure">https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel</a></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 30, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Joakim Sandgren <<a class="defaultMailLink" href="mailto:info@joakimsandgren.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">info@joakimsandgren.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline-144666eJwLLkjMBQADzwGS"><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode:space;line-break:after-white-space;" class="">It does work fine.<div class="">In the instructions (very good) I would add (require ‘cocoa-application) at the end. No ? (Am I missing something ?).</div><div class="">Now I had to take that from memory…</div><div class="">Otherwise very good,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Sincerely,</div><div class="">Joakim </div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Le 30 août 2021 à 18:46, info <<a class="defaultMailLink" href="mailto:info@joakimsandgren.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">info@joakimsandgren.com</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline-144666eJwLLkjMBQADzwGS"><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode:space;line-break:after-white-space;" class="">absolutely!<div class="">/j<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Le 30 août 2021 à 18:34, Andrew Shalit <<a class="defaultMailLink" href="mailto:alms@clozure.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">alms@clozure.com</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline-144666eJwLLkjMBQADzwGS"><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode:space;line-break:after-white-space;" class="">I hope so, but I haven’t tried it recently. I’m just getting my head (and my hardware) back into CCL. If you have a chance to try it, please let us know how it goes, and I’ll do the same.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Andrew<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 30, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Joakim Sandgren <<a class="defaultMailLink" href="mailto:info@joakimsandgren.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">info@joakimsandgren.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline-144666eJwLLkjMBQADzwGS"><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode:space;line-break:after-white-space;" class="">Hello,<div class="">Does this work on an intel mac with Big Sur ??</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Sincerely,</div><div class="">Joakim<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Le 30 août 2021 à 18:12, Andrew Shalit <<a class="defaultMailLink" href="mailto:alms@clozure.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">alms@clozure.com</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline-144666eJwLLkjMBQADzwGS"><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode:space;line-break:after-white-space;" class="">Hi Myra - <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks for volunteering for this project. Do you know how to use the Macintosh command line? If so, the instructions here should be helpful.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a class="defaultMailLink" href="https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/releases/tag/v1.12" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-ik="ik-secure">https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/releases/tag/v1.12</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Andrew<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 26, 2021, at 11:33 PM, Myra Jean Prelle <<a class="defaultMailLink" href="mailto:mjp32@comcast.net" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">mjp32@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline-144666eJwLLkjMBQADzwGS"><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode:space;line-break:after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hi CCL folks</div><div class=""> </div>I have offered to help Ron with his document. In addition to reading the document, I would like to help him by checking that all his examples work. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:ArialMT;" class="">As for checking examples, I haven’t run CCL on my Mac in a while (been playing Python). I tried CCL from Mac App store, but it crashed immediately. Does anyone have a set of instructions for setting up CCL on an Intel Mac 2.6 GHz 6-Core Intel Core i7 running Big Sur 11.5.2, so I can test his examples?</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="ArialMT" class="">Thank you for your help,</font></div><div class=""><font face="ArialMT" class="">Myra</font></div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 26, 2021, at 4:17 PM, Ron Garret <<a class="defaultMailLink" href="mailto:ron@flownet.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">ron@flownet.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline-144666eJwLLkjMBQADzwGS"><div class=""><div class="">An M1 port is in the works. but probably won’t be ready for several months. The project is just now getting off the ground.<br class=""><br class="">But your concern is not misplaced. The CCL community is very small and not growing. In particular, the number of people who are sufficiently familiar with how it works under the hood to be able to actually do something like the M1 port is very small, certainly less than 10, possibly less than 5. If we were talking about wildlife they’d be listed as critically endangered. So for the long run I’m much more worried about generational knowledge transfer than the M1 port. That will buy some time, but one thing is pretty clear and that is that the Apple platform will forever be a moving target (and it’s not altogether clear to me that it will continue to be one worth shooting at).<br class=""><br class="">One thing that I started working on a while back to try to address this problem is an introductory programming book based on CCL. The beginnings of that project can be found here:<br class=""><br class=""><a class="defaultMailLink" href="https://github.com/rongarret/BWFP" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-ik="ik-secure">https://github.com/rongarret/BWFP</a><br class=""><br class="">I abandoned it in part because I tried and failed to recruit someone to be a “beta tester” for the book as I wrote it to make sure that what I was writing would actually be comprehensible to the target audience, and to make sure that all the examples actually worked. If someone is interested in stepping up to that plate I would consider picking that back up again.<br class=""><br class="">rg<br class=""><br class="">On Aug 26, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Parksungmin <<a class="defaultMailLink" href="mailto:byulparan@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">byulparan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">CCL has just 7 commit in 2021 (last commit is 15 Jul). it also seems not start to port for Silicon M1.<br class="">CCL is my favorite implementation. I'm afraid of the this status.<br class=""><br class="">When will it be possible to work with CCL in M1 Mac?<br class=""><br class="">Thank you.<br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Openmcl-devel mailing list<br class=""><a class="defaultMailLink" href="mailto:Openmcl-devel@clozure.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Openmcl-devel@clozure.com</a><br class=""><a class="defaultMailLink" href="https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-ik="ik-secure">https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel</a><br class=""></blockquote><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Openmcl-devel mailing list<br class=""><a class="defaultMailLink" href="mailto:Openmcl-devel@clozure.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Openmcl-devel@clozure.com</a><br class=""><a class="defaultMailLink" href="https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-ik="ik-secure">https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel</a><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">Openmcl-devel mailing list<br class=""><a class="defaultMailLink" href="mailto:Openmcl-devel@clozure.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Openmcl-devel@clozure.com</a><br class=""><a class="defaultMailLink" href="https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-ik="ik-secure">https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">Openmcl-devel mailing list<br class=""><a class="defaultMailLink" href="mailto:Openmcl-devel@clozure.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Openmcl-devel@clozure.com</a><br class=""><a class="defaultMailLink" href="https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-ik="ik-secure">https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></blockquote></div>
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