<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">My memory is that the UI framework in Object Lisp and, later, CLOS, was much easier and more convenient to work with than other ways of building classic Mac user interfaces. One reason is that you could build up a UI interactively in real time by evaluating Lisp expressions at the Listener. After the transition to CLOS, you could make a working window that responded appropriately to mouse events by saying<div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> (make-instance 'window)<br class=""><div><br class=""></div><div>I don't remember the exact Object Lisp syntax, but it was similarly simple.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>The Mac got threads in System 7, in the form of the Thread Manager. If I remember right, MCL/CCL didn't get thread support until the OpenMCL fork, though you could have used MCL's toolbox interface to talk to the Thread Manager before that.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Before OSX the Mac system was a cooperative multitasking system using what is nowadays called green threads.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 5, 2022, at 1:18 AM, Tim McNerney <<a href="mailto:mc@media.mit.edu" class="">mc@media.mit.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Thanks for pointers to the “digital orphans” web museums. <div class="">Which brings me back to my other question…</div><div class="">Some of us remember that building a “well behaved GUI” for the Mac was a pain to code.</div><div class="">Did ObjectLisp and successors make this any easier with their OOness?</div><div class="">Could I implement widgets that responded to mouse clicks “on their own,”</div><div class="">or was there always editing of the dreaded “main event loop” for each new widget?</div><div class="">Some examples, if handy, would be good fodder for conversation.</div><div class="">Lastly, when did MacOS get full-fledged threads?</div><div class="">Or, since I’m taking to MCL devs, when did CCL start supporting threads?<br class=""><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">--Tim</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Mar 4, 2022, at 13:23, Jeremy Jones <<a href="mailto:jaj@clozure.com" class="">jaj@clozure.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Thanks Gene! They appear to have disk images of lots of old stuff.<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">They even have MCL 1.3 (pre-CLOS)!</div><div dir="auto" class=""><a href="https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macintosh-allegro-common-lisp" class="">https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macintosh-allegro-common-lisp</a> <br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I've been wanting to play with Object Lisp. A weekend project! </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, 11:37 AM Gene Z. Ragan <<a href="mailto:gene@semitone.audio" class="">gene@semitone.audio</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class="">The Macintosh Garden is a nice resource for classic software releases.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macintosh-common-lisp-20" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macintosh-common-lisp-20</a></div><div class=""><a href="https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/pearl-lisp" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/pearl-lisp</a></div><div class=""><a href="https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macintosh-allegro-common-lisp" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macintosh-allegro-common-lisp</a></div><div class=""><a href="https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/xlisp" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/xlisp</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You may be able to find what you are looking for there.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Gene<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 3, 2022, at 10:26 PM, Tim McNerney <<a href="mailto:mc@media.mit.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">mc@media.mit.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><span class="">Motivated by my recent purchase of a refurbished Mac Classic (*),</span><div class="">I am searching for a couple of types of “prehistoric” software. <div class=""><div class="">1) 68000 MCL that runs in 4MB of RAM and a tiny B/W screen. (**)</div><div class="">2) examples of early Mac apps written in MCL with decent UIs.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(*) With a BlueSCSI SSD instead of a fragile HDD.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Is the rumor true that Coral Software delivered a complete Common Lisp </div><div class="">compressed onto a single 9cm floppy? (3 1/2”)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="">(**) I’m not looking for one of these physical floppies. </span></div><div class=""><font class=""><span class="">9cm floppies were notorious, even brand new, of not being archival. </span></font></div><div class=""><font class=""><span class="">Some sort of disk image would be better. <br class=""></span></font><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">--Tim</div></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">Openmcl-devel mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Openmcl-devel@clozure.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">Openmcl-devel@clozure.com</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">
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