[Openmcl-devel] bad impressions to Lisp newbies

Alexander Repenning ralex at cs.colorado.edu
Mon Apr 27 20:57:23 UTC 2009


I made two points:

1) Have navigation between sites. Clozure has many sites but no  
obvious navigation *between* the sites. In some of the sites there is  
a navigation for that particular site, e.g., the wiki, but this does  
not really help users to find they way to other sites. Have one common  
navigation that will essentially result in a hierarchical navigation.

Don't take this literally but this is just a sketch to illustrate the  
point. Not sure how I can make more sense.








2) Be nice. The supposedly humorous comments are not well received by  
some. I have had a number of developers write me indicating that they  
are quite displeased about the hostile tone on the Clozure mailing  
list. Don't shoot the messenger.

alex


On Apr 26, 2009, at 12:12 AM, Gary Byers wrote:

> Please make more sense.
>
>
> On Sat, 25 Apr 2009, Alexander Repenning wrote:
>
>> The golden rule of user interface design 101 is that if multiple  
>> users are confused about something there is usually no point for  
>> the designer of the interface to claim that he or she does not find  
>> it confusing. People are trying to help you and you are basically  
>> belittling these comments.
>>
>> I  did not make that particular comment regarding the trac page. As  
>> I said before, I find the site as a whole a bit confusing not any  
>> particular page. Look, what most of us want to do is to get some  
>> general information, download the app, access the source, and get  
>> some support. This is pretty basic stuff. It is great that you  
>> offer all of these pages/sites:
>>
>> http://trac.clozure.com  http://ccl.clozure.com http://svn.clozure.com 
>>  http://openmcl.clozure.com http://www.clozure.com/
>>
>> I am not even sure I found them all. The issue is quite simply that  
>> there is NO SINGLE NAVIGATION that is common to all these sites.  
>> Even the most simple navigation tab structure (e.g., Home,  
>> Download, Support, ...) shared between the sites would work  
>> wonders. Make it a frame it you must. Finding the right link  
>> somewhere on some page to move from one site to another IS confusing.
>>
>> This may not be the worlds greatest example but it does feature the  
>> kind of navigation that the Clozure site is missing: http://www.openoffice.org
>>
>> Thanks but no thanks to the dancing girls ;-) but navigation would  
>> be nice.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2009, at 10:32 PM, R. Matthew Emerson wrote:
>>
>>> The Trac page (http://trac.clozure.com/ccl) seems pretty clear to  
>>> me.
>>> There is a table on that page in the section called "Getting Clozure
>>> CL"  that includes links to archives for all the platforms.  Maybe I
>>> should put some animated dancing girls or something next to it so  
>>> that
>>> it stands out better.
>>
>> Prof. Alexander Repenning
>>
>> University of Colorado
>> Computer Science Department
>> Boulder, CO 80309-430
>>
>> vCard: http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~ralex/AlexanderRepenning.vcf
>>
>>
>

Prof. Alexander Repenning

University of Colorado
Computer Science Department
Boulder, CO 80309-430

vCard: http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~ralex/AlexanderRepenning.vcf


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