[Openmcl-devel] Old MCL buffers behaviour in CCL

Andrew Shalit alms at clozure.com
Mon Oct 20 09:35:28 PDT 2008

Hello Gilles --

There are a couple of efforts underway at Clozure that would be  
relevant to your work:

1. MCL-in-CCL.  We have a contract to port a large MCL application to  
CCL, running on Intel-32.  To achieve that, we are porting a large  
portion of the MCL Macintosh interface to CCL, including windows,  
menus, dialogs, etc.   The results will all eventually be open-sourced.

I don't know if the Fred buffer commands will be included in that  
project --- the people working on it are at OOPSLA this week, so I  
can't quickly ask them.  If they are included, you should be all set.   
If they aren't, we can talk about next step.  It's something we'd be  
happy to do as part of a separate contract, and I think it would be a  
relatively small amount of work.  This would give you Fred buffer  
commands in something close to their MCL context.  However, it  
wouldn't include the MCL IDE, or any IDE for that matter.

2. For an IDE, we move onto the next project:  We've just begun a  
fundraising effort to help us make improvements to the CCL development  
environment.  Our goal is to raise money for one solid month of work.   
Clozure will then match that with a second month for free.  With two  
solid months we believe we can make the CCL IDE a worthy successor to  

A major focus will be making the editor more like Fred.  Our  
priorities will be set by the donors, but this project could certainly  
include providing the Fred buffer commands on CCL editor windows.

I will post the details of this fundraising effort in a separate  
message in the near future.  Don't let that hold you up, though.  If  
you'd like to contribute, let me know, and we can set up a time to  
talk about your needs and priorities in more detail.

That goes for everyone else reading this message, too: if we all pull  
together, we get the CCL IDE from its current state of almost-usable  
to a state of really usable in a big way.


On Oct 17, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Gilles Serasset wrote:

> Hi all,
> I've been a long time MCL developer more than 10 years ago and after a
> very long and deep break from CL, I kind of stumble on CCL web site.
> From my early MCL years, I kept a lot of programs I cannot run
> anymore because they were using the "buffer" commands of MCL (make-
> buffer etc.). The reason was that we were developping NLP apps dealing
> extensively with text manipulations.
> As MCL has been open-sources and as it seems that CCL do include
> equivalent functionality, I though, that maybe, I'll be able to load
> my programs again... (yes, I'm quite optimistic these days ;-)
> Then the question is:
> Has any of you used MCL and especialy MCL buffers. If yes, how did you
> port your programs to CCL ?
> Any hint ?
> Regards,
> Gilles,
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