[Openmcl-devel] The Objective-C Bridge and Clozure CL IDE with Linux and GNUstep
lassiter at christianfellowships.info
Thu Jun 18 08:24:55 PDT 2015
On 15-06-18 02:12 AM, Ron Garret wrote
>> For various reasons I really, really hate the idea that everything in the modern world should be a web app.
> Can you elaborate on these “various reasons”?
Yes, I can. This will be a semi-rant, but of course nobody has to read it!
First some context:
My views are very subjective. I admit that I may sometimes be
misinformed about what is going on "under the hood" with web
applications. Moreover, since I am retired and have no commercial
constraints related to interoperability or delivering software updates,
my view is skewed by that.
I spent over a year doing an application in CL as a web application.
This particular software /should/ have been done as a web application
(by my criteria). I used ccl, hunchentoot, cl-who, xuriella, clsql, and
"stack" was great for that particular application. There are times when
it seems perfectly right to have part of my software running on a server
across a network, and part on a local device (even when both are the
/same/ device, of course). But not /all the time/.
So in other contexts I don't want to go that way. I have an aversion
being forced into thinking of /everything/ as having an in-your-face
client-server architecture. (Yeah, I know X works that way too, more or
I have a deep aversion to what appears to me to be an "inner platform"
anti-pattern. I cannot abide the idea that the web browser is now my
operating system /all the time/. I hate the endless layers upon layers
upon layers that exist, as I see it, not because these abstractions help
me but because there is some element of "worse is better" and
reinventing the wheel to this evolution.
spending nearly a decade before retirement doing an all-XML project.)
Why? I feel no need to justify my aversion, anymore than I feel obliged
to explain why I don't like red licorice twizzlers. These tools have
their uses, but I doubt they are always the best choice. And, I don't
I grate my teeth whenever I read some idiot tech writer proclaiming for
the umpteenth time that "the desktop is dead". Of course there is some
truth to that, in the sense that people quite rationally use mobile
devices when it makes sense. But mostly it's kind of "ewwwww you old
guys; NOBODY uses Facebook/wears white socks/drives a Buick anymore".
Whatever. Fuck off and take some pictures of your lunch.
A year ago I tried Google's suite of "desktop applications" and just
absolutely loathed them. But then, I also spent nearly ten years forced
to use MS Word at work, became fairly proficient at it, /and totally
hate desktop publishing stuff./ To this day I use emacs and tex for
writing documents. So no wonder I don't want to compose a document on a
web application. Even when I blog I use emacs and org mode to compose.
Not the half-baked editors that wordpress provides.
I spend quite a lot of time doing OpenCL, and am learning OpenGL. I am
at long last actually working my way through /The Art of Computer
Programming/, and yes - I have learned MMIX to do it. So I have some
preference for being "close to the metal", although I admit that there
are plenty of layers there that I am happily ignore or don't even
So maybe I am just psychologically wired to go against the grain. After
all, I prefer Common Lisp to any of the languages I have ever used, even
though I only started with CL about five years ago.
- TL -
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