[Openmcl-devel] The original CCL

Gary Byers gb at clozure.com
Wed Jun 22 10:33:11 PDT 2016

On 06/22/2016 01:37 AM, Chris Hanson wrote:
> On Jun 21, 2016, at 11:52 PM, Ron Garret <ron at flownet.com> wrote:
>> Cool!
>> What are you planning to do with it?  It would be awesome if you could get it scanned.
> I was planning to. I actually have a second binder that also appears to have CCL docs, though I think they're the same version.
>> BTW, I have some original CCL floppies which I was going to try to image one of these days.  I mention this in order to ask if anyone has already done this so I can save myself the bother, or, alternatively, if anyone is itching to have a copy of the original CCL so I can bump it up on my priority list.  Imaging Mac floppies is non-trivial.  They don’t work in standard floppy drives. Macs used non-standard variable speed drives, so to image these disks I’m going to have to resurrect an old Quadra that’s currently gathering dust in my basement.
> I have a working Mac IIci (Bay Area), and I imagine there are plenty of others who have working older systems as well near wherever you are. Regardless, the original CCL is one of those things that should be imaged and archived for historical reasons if nothing else.
> It looks like there are some images of various versions floating around, down to 1.2.2, but no 1.0 that I could find in a cursory search.
> That kind of preservation is actually one reason I was trying to figure out what happened to Digitool, so perhaps all of the IP could be formally freed (modulo any other licensed work, of course). It wasn't clear to me if that had happened with the original Open Source release, or if only the specific release(s) that were made Open Source were free.

I've lost touch with Alice Hartley;  Bill St Clair and I also worked for 
Digitool and both work for Clozure now, Digitool used some Apple vcs 
that was
(somehow) accessible over the net; Bill and I left in 1997 and I think 
that Alice just maintained the sources on her local machines after 
that.  The Rosetta-based MCL (rmcl) was in svn at some point and I 
suspect that the repo is still on some Clozure server somewhere.
In 1997, Ron (Garrett) and I were both working at JPL, which had 
acquired an MCL source license.  I think that I still had a copy of what 
Alice had
sent us, but I had a fire last year and don't have that any more.

When the subject has come up in discussions, I think that many people 
involved in those discussions have concluded that old MCL sources were 
long gone
> I'm also hoping someone managed to preserve (such as via git-svn) the full Subversion repository that was on Google Code, since the Google Code Archive only has the Mercurial repository for download. I'm told the Subversion repository had quite a bit of history in it which would be best for preservation.
>    -- Chris
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