[Openmcl-devel] talk on CCL

[Bruce O'Neel]

Hi  
  
At a past job I used MCL on my Powerbook 540c upgraded to the underperforming PPC 603e running at 100mhz for personal development and experimentation.  Production was on TI Explorers.  My powerbook was about 2x faster than the Explorers until it ran out of memory.   To be fairer to the Explorers this was about 10 years after they were made, but it wasn't like that 603e was winning any benchmark races either.  
  
cheers  
  
bruce  

> As someone who’s studied their history, I seriously think that CCL/MCL is an under-acknowledged participant in the death of Lisp Machines: When you could use a Macintosh for development nearly as effectively as a Lisp Machine for barely a tenth the cost (or even less), and deploy on Macintosh as well, why spend all that money on specialized hardware? Especially since by the 1990s the Lisp Machines were falling far behind on performance.   
>   
>  -- Chris   
>   
>  > On Oct 19, 2018, at 8:55 AM, Ron Garret  wrote:   
>  >   
>  > " an intrepid band of hackers formed a little company called Coral Software. And Coral Common Lisp was their product that they managed to put together, and it came out in 1987, and … they had a Common Lisp (it didn’t have CLOS, so it was CLTL1), [which] ran on a 1MB Macintosh Plus, this incredibly weak hardware. So that was a real accomplishment.”   
>  >   
>  > Not only did they have a CL that ran on a 1MB Mac Plus, it had an IDE!  And not only did it have an IDE, it had one of the best IDEs ever.  You can still run it on emulators today, and it is still usable — even competitive — today.  It had an interactive interface builder that is still to this day superior to anything I have seen anywhere.  I still miss it.  (I used the original CCL to do my masters thesis back in 1987 and it spoiled me on IDEs for life.  I’ve been a grumpy old man ever since.)   
>  >   
>  > I would rank the original CCL as a technical achievement on a par with the Macintosh itself.   
>  >   
>  > rg   
>  >   
>  >   
>  > On Oct 18, 2018, at 5:12 PM, R. Matthew Emerson  wrote:   
>  >   
>  >> I was invited to give a talk at this year’s European Lisp Symposium in Marbella, Spain.  It was a great conference.  I highly recommend that you try to attend next the next one if you possibly can.  It will be in Genoa, Italy.  See https://european-lisp-symposium.org.   
>  >>   
>  >> Anyway, I prepared a web site that contains a video of the talk and also a written transcript with slides included in the text in the appropriate places.   
>  >>   
>  >> The link is http://thisoldlisp.com/talks/els-2018/   
>  >>   
>  >> It’s not really very technical in nature (it’s meant to be entertaining and encouraging), but maybe some of you would enjoy it.   
>  >>   
>  >>   
>  >> _______________________________________________   
>  >> Openmcl-devel mailing list   
>  >> Openmcl-devel at clozure.com   
>  >> https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel   
>  >   
>  > _______________________________________________   
>  > Openmcl-devel mailing list   
>  > Openmcl-devel at clozure.com   
>  > https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel   
>   
>  _______________________________________________   
>  Openmcl-devel mailing list   
>  Openmcl-devel at clozure.com   
>  https://lists.clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/openmcl-devel
  

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <https://lists.clozure.com/pipermail/openmcl-devel/attachments/20181022/a0dee223/attachment.htm>