[Openmcl-devel] talk on CCL

[Robert Goldman]

I'm sure that MCL played a role, but I remember Symbolics and Gensym 
cratering in about 1987 or soon after.  And I think that Sun, Apollo, 
etc., general-purpose machines but not personal computers, were 
substantially involved.  Lucid on a SPARCstation could give the 
Symbolics a run for its money (although the development environment was 
decidedly inferior).

Cheers,
R


On 22 Oct 2018, at 9:33, Bruce O'Neel wrote:

> Hi
>
> At a past job I used MCL on my Powerbook 540c upgraded to the 
> underperforming PPC 603e running at 100mhz for personal development 
> and experimentation.  Production was on TI Explorers.  My powerbook 
> was about 2x faster than the Explorers until it ran out of memory.   
> To be fairer to the Explorers this was about 10 years after they were 
> made, but it wasn't like that 603e was winning any benchmark races 
> either.
>
> cheers
>
> bruce
>
>> As someone who’s studied their history, I seriously think that 
>> CCL/MCL is an under-acknowledged participant in the death of Lisp 
>> Machines: When you could use a Macintosh for development nearly as 
>> effectively as a Lisp Machine for barely a tenth the cost (or even 
>> less), and deploy on Macintosh as well, why spend all that money on 
>> specialized hardware? Especially since by the 1990s the Lisp Machines 
>> were falling far behind on performance.
>>
>>  -- Chris
>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2018, at 8:55 AM, Ron Garret  wrote:
>>>
>>> " an intrepid band of hackers formed a little company called Coral 
>>> Software. And Coral Common Lisp was their product that they managed 
>>> to put together, and it came out in 1987, and … they had a Common 
>>> Lisp (it didn’t have CLOS, so it was CLTL1), [which] ran on a 1MB 
>>> Macintosh Plus, this incredibly weak hardware. So that was a real 
>>> accomplishment.”
>>>
>>> Not only did they have a CL that ran on a 1MB Mac Plus, it had an 
>>> IDE!  And not only did it have an IDE, it had one of the best IDEs 
>>> ever.  You can still run it on emulators today, and it is still 
>>> usable — even competitive — today.  It had an interactive 
>>> interface builder that is still to this day superior to anything I 
>>> have seen anywhere.  I still miss it.  (I used the original CCL to 
>>> do my masters thesis back in 1987 and it spoiled me on IDEs for 
>>> life.  I’ve been a grumpy old man ever since.)
>>>
>>> I would rank the original CCL as a technical achievement on a par 
>>> with the Macintosh itself.
>>>
>>> rg
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2018, at 5:12 PM, R. Matthew Emerson  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was invited to give a talk at this year’s European Lisp 
>>>> Symposium in Marbella, Spain.  It was a great conference.  I highly 
>>>> recommend that you try to attend next the next one if you possibly 
>>>> can.  It will be in Genoa, Italy.  See 
>>>> https://european-lisp-symposium.org.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I prepared a web site that contains a video of the talk and 
>>>> also a written transcript with slides included in the text in the 
>>>> appropriate places.
>>>>
>>>> The link is http://thisoldlisp.com/talks/els-2018/
>>>>
>>>> It’s not really very technical in nature (it’s meant to be 
>>>> entertaining and encouraging), but maybe some of you would enjoy 
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>>
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