[Openmcl-devel] “Prehistoric” MCL

[Jeremy Jones]

> the ccl releases back through 1.2 are to be found at

 >  https://dydra.com/data/CCL

> the same could be done for all mcl releases, if there is interest and
clozure is not averse.

My particular interest is pre-CLOS MCL, because I want to play with Object
Lisp and the IDE. MACL 1.3 is probably the best bet for that purpose,  and
it's already available at
https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macintosh-allegro-common-lisp

Historical archives of other MCL versions would definitely be interesting
for the future. I'm sure there are even more people interested in 2.0+. I
can't speak for all Clozure folks, but I bet everyone would support the
idea.

You're right about clozure.com. There's not a lot there. It would be nice
if the emails keep forwarding. I'd be happy to take over the domain name
and setup email forwarding of the existing email addresses. Maybe put up a
tombstone website with a few links. I'd hate to see it become something
annoying.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2022, 1:58 PM James Anderson <anderson.james.1955 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> good afternoon ;
>
> > On 2022-03-04, at 14:53:26, Jeremy Jones <jaj at clozure.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Tim!
> >
> > Congrats on getting the classic Mac. I've been thinking about ancient
> MCL too. I sure wish I saved stuff, especially hardcopies of sources.
> >
> > If anyone does have the old floppies, one could use this approach to
> make disk images:
>
> it would appear that i have a set of pre-release 6 disks.
> they have not seen a drive in thirty years and i have no idea how they
> would behave.
> i should have others as well as cds, but their location is not obvious.
>
> the ccl releases back through 1.2 are to be found at
>
>    https://dydra.com/data/CCL
>
> the same could be done for all mcl releases, if there is interest and
> clozure is not averse.
>
> >
> >
> https://www.chzsoft.de/site/hardware/preserving-a-floppy-disk-with-a-logic-analyzer/
> >
> > There are also emulators:
> > https://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/news
> >
> > Anyone else interested in MCL archeology? We could start an online MCL
> museum with old disk images, repls via browser, etc.?
> >
> > Anyone have any MCL CDs? Chime in if you want to contribute anything or
> help with a website. I have some papers that might be of interest. How
> about a website written in Object Lisp served from Tim's Mac Classic?
> >
> > Also, Andrew told me that Clozure is looking for someone to take over
> hosting of clozure.com. We definitely don't want it to go away.
>
> there is not much visible there.
> all of the code is at github.
> what would you need to site?
>
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, 12:27 AM Tim McNerney <mc at media.mit.edu> wrote:
> > Motivated by my recent purchase of a refurbished Mac Classic (*),
> > I am searching for a couple of types of “prehistoric” software.
> > 1) 68000 MCL that runs in 4MB of RAM and a tiny B/W screen. (**)
> > 2) examples of early Mac apps written in MCL with decent UIs.
> >
> > (*) With a BlueSCSI SSD instead of a fragile HDD.
> >
> > Is the rumor true that Coral Software delivered a complete Common Lisp
> > compressed onto a single 9cm floppy? (3 1/2”)
> >
> > (**) I’m not looking for one of these physical floppies.
> > 9cm floppies were notorious, even brand new, of not being archival.
> > Some sort of disk image would be better.
> >
> > --Tim
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