[Openmcl-devel] CCL is a mess

Terje Norderhaug terje at in-progress.com
Wed May 27 12:43:12 PDT 2009

On May 27, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Glen Foy wrote:
> On May 27, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Rainer Joswig wrote:
>> The next question is 'user expectation'. What kind of IDE are  
>> users expecting?
>> * Eclipse-like, because the users are students and know mostly  
>> Eclipse? An MCL-like IDE will not do it for them. They want  
>> windows full of widgets, wizards, tiled windows, large preference  
>> dialogues, lots of XML configuration files, ...
>> * MCL-like, because the users are homeless ex-MCL users?
>> * XCode-like, because the CCL IDE users are on the Mac anyway?
>> * Somehow integrating with Xcode and some of its tools (Interface  
>> Builder, ...)?
>> * Emacs/SLIME-like?
>> * Something new?
>> * None? Because they use Emacs/SLIME or Eclipse with Lisp support?
> Clozure has just announced a Rosette port of MCL on Intel! We have  
> another possible model for a CCL IDE:
> Terje Norderhaug has done some interesting preliminary work using  
> MCL as a generic Lisp IDE.  MCL handles events and displays tools  
> while a separate Lisp process runs the code.  It uses the Slime/ 
> Swank protocol.
> Now I would prefer a version of CCL doing the same thing, but if  
> Terje's code is in good shape, we can do a proof of concept right now.

Coming right up!

Well, give me a little time, but with the Rosetta support, this has  
my full attention.

-- Terje Norderhaug

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